Richard Rohr, Jen Hatmaker, and the Millennial Obsession With Mysticism — The Alisa Childers Podcast #48
Richard Rohr is a Franciscan Friar who is captivating a generation of spiritual seekers and progressive Christians. Recently, Jen Hatmaker had him as a guest on her podcast, and in today's episode, Marcia Montenegro and I analyze their discussion.
4/26/2019 03:08:47 pm
I took one of their “ tests” to see what number I’d get out of curiousity and they got me wrong. Like I can’t fit into their box. There’s nothing spiritual about a personality quiz.
Thanks for your input. It is crazy to think everyone can fit into one of 9 numbers. And these are based on 3 broader areas formulated by Gurdjieff, the esoteric Gnostic teacher. I agree we can't find anything spiritual in such a chart.
4/30/2019 12:08:14 am
Thank you so much for addressing the enneagram numbers. I have heard this mentioned on so many Christian podcasts but didn't know much about it. Most just quickly address it in a what number are you kind of a way, but someone said something recently about its roots that sent off warning signals. I knew I needed to know more. Thank you!
5/1/2019 01:19:44 pm
Why is Hatmaker viewed as such a 'thought leader'? What qualifications does she have? Or is it simply, like most progressives, that she is saying what people WANT to hear rather than what they NEED to hear (the truth).
5/14/2019 10:29:18 am
Hi, Mike, Hatmaker has been influential through her blog and then her leadership in a women's group called the IF Gathering. So many women were following her and many were part of the IF Gatherings (which continue without Hatmaker, I believe).
5/20/2020 03:27:03 pm
However, Do you know that Jen Hatmaker performed a lesbian wedding just last week and for yeas now has said, and I quote, "Monogamous homosexual marriage can be holy to God."
5/14/2019 03:41:51 am
This attempt of a critique of fr. Richard Rohr is full of contradictions and lacks solid knowledge of the history of Christian mysticism. Accusing Rohr of ahistorical Christianity, promotion of Eastern meditation, misunderstanding of Scriptures, misunderstanding of Christianity is an absurd... The real Truth of the Christianity is love and dynamism of Rohr`s teaching is clearly focused on that Truth. Progressive Christians? Jesus presented in Gospels was quite progressive in His critique (direct and indirect) of the Temple theology. His critique of Jewish exclusivity and understanding of purity is quite obvious. I guess He didn`t express His critique as Catholic, Evangelical or Orthodox Christian. He spoke as a Jew. And that is the important "Sitz-im-Leben" of biblical hermenutics we should take into consideration regarding the idea of progressive movements in any religion... Jesus was a scandalous figure (in Greek skandalon σκάνδαλον: the trigger of a trap, an offense). Please, forgive me. But I think what this podcast offers are slogans, tautology and superficial analysis of Rohr`s writings. I kindly send You my warm regards and best wishes!
5/14/2019 10:25:33 am
Jesus was Jewish and affirmed the Old Testament; he fulfilled its prophecies. He was not progressive in the sense of moving away from any of God's teachings since he affirmed them. He was part of the plan of salvation from the beginning, that was announced in Gen. 3:15 and prophesied in many of the Psalms and by the prophets such as Isaiah. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for adding laws to God's laws. Iow, Jesus was against the corruption of biblical Judaism so he did scandalize the Jewish leaders who rejected him but he was not scandalous in going against God's word. He was not Progressive in the sense of today's Progressives who question and/or reject God's word.
5/16/2019 07:10:22 am
Forgive me, but I do not agree with your conclusion: “Rohr has a heretical view of Jesus and Christ because he makes an erroneous distinction between them”. In fact, your statement “Rohr, in his blogs, in many of his interviews, and in his latest book, casts Jesus as the embodiment of a Christ "larger" than Jesus” is not a heresy and originally not his ideas, but an old, ancient reflection of Greek Fathers of the Church, which is an important part of the orthodox teaching regarding theosis, Incarnation and Eastern Christian cosmology. I do not think Fr. Rohr reflects on something new, but probably he brings those old ideas as new to many Christians. That`s why they may look quite "progressive".
5/16/2019 12:20:55 pm
Robert, Richard Rohr states:
5/16/2019 06:41:41 pm
2. Regarding the body, Jesus seems not to have guarded his bodily orifices or their emissions in ways that befit purity-minded people.
5/16/2019 07:01:05 pm
Jesus was speaking of his body when he talked about the temple being torn down, he was not actually talking against it. And as for the sacrifices yes Jesus is greater than the sacrifices, Jesus is greater than anything that could be found in the temple or any sacrifice or any priest. This is made clear in the book of Hebrews. As for creation being the first incarnation of Christ and your reference to some Greek fathers, their views are not our Authority. The Authority for what is true is God's word. And I think that is a big difference between what you were basing your views on and what I based my views on. Because according not only to the Bible but to the historic Christian faith, Jesus cannot be equated with creation nor can he be a part of it as Rohr teaches. And Rohr does teach that. This is going to be my last reply to you because I don't have time to keep going back and forth and you apparently Place Authority and other sources than the Bible which means we don't even have common ground for a discussion. So I will close by saying that I hope you consider God's word as the authority and look to that to discover who Jesus is and why Richard Rohr is wrong. Jesus warned about many false christs and I think the one taught by Rohr is one of them.
5/16/2019 06:42:11 pm
- Jesus' negative attitude to temple space is clarified when it is linked with a later statement that love of God and neighbor is "worth more than all whole burnt offerings" (Mk 12:33).
5/16/2019 06:50:40 pm
Re: I don't see how Jesus violated any of these laws.
5/18/2019 04:39:14 am
Dear Marcia! Please, do not misunderstand me! I do respect and value Your comments!
1/31/2020 03:39:38 pm
Su van der Plas
4/8/2020 10:17:48 am
I am listening to your podcast with interest after it came up while looking for material about Richard Rohr. There is much I would like to critique about your understanding of Father Richard Rohr's books and teaching but I would only say this. Why do evangelical Christians (and I was one myself) like yourself who are taking the time to read at least in part and try to understand such material which you find so erroneous, not go to the source itself? Have you ever asked Richard Rohr to explain his view to you or have a dialogue about this with him? That way what is truth within what you believe and what is truth within what he believes can be better understood and together as Christians we would find common ground rather than constantly seeking to find errors which only entrench the faithful. So much good would come from us learning to love and understand one another.
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